October 28, 2008
From the "I didn't see this coming" dept: Is Daunte Culpepper soon to be a Lion?
Daunte Culpepper is in Allen Park today, and it seems this was more than your typical "It's Tuesday, so lets work out a few bodies just in case" scenario. Not only did the former Vikings, Dolphins and Raiders QB work out, the two parties are supposedly talking money and length of contract.
Culpepper is so interested in Detroit, he even turned down a chance to work out for the one team with a worse QB situation than the Lions, the Kansas City Chiefs. Though there is word out of KC the Chiefs are now claiming their interest in Culpepper has cooled, not vice-versa. Personally, I find that hard to believe, considering they have the immortal Tyler Thigpen starting,
As expected, rumors are flying.
In the Twin Cities, the Vikings' writers at the Pioneer Press are reporting the Culpepper signing is a done deal.
At Mlive, Killer Kowalski says Culpepper left the facility without signing a contract.
The Oakland Press' beat guy, Dave Birkett, is reporting the Lions DO want to get Culpepper under contract.
As of 3PM, the 4 Letter's NFC Central blogger, Kevin Seifert, has the latest on the Culpepper "situation" in his chat: "He left the Lions facility without a contract, but John Clayton reports
the sides are still talking. It's possible something could happen
today."
All this has me saying one thing, "Why?"
Reason 1: Culpepper has never been the same player since he destroyed his knee (tore 3 ligaments, including the dreaded ACL) 2 seasons ago. He's no longer a dual threat QB, as the combination of Culpepper's size and bad knee left him immobile. The last time we saw Culpepper in the league, it was a sad sight. He literally couldn't move around in the pocket, making him a sitting duck for punishment. Culpepper was only a shadow of his former All-Pro self in Miami and Oakland.
Reason 2: You really want to sign Culpepper, who has said in the past he wants a multi-season deal, despite not knowing who will be GM and coach in 2009? Do the Lions want to saddle the next regime with BOTH the unproven Drew Stanton and the once-was Culpepper? I wouldn't trust the current Lions' front office and coaching staff to even sign an autograph correctly, God forbid sign another washed up free agent to a contract.
Reason 3: It's often said Randy Moss made Culpepper, not the other way around. Hell, when you think about it, even Jon Kitna would have looked like the next coming of football Jesus throwing to a young Moss. Once Moss left Minnesota, the magic was gone, and Culpepper's stats tanked. In Moss' last season with the Vikings, 2004, Culpepper had an insane QB rating of 110.9. Before the season ending injury in 2005, Culpepper's rating dropped 38 points, to 72.0. He's never been higher than 78.0 since.
But there's also a part of me that says, "Why not?"
Reason 1: Culpepper's knee injury was so severe, he realistically should have missed an entire season, if not two. Instead, he rushed his rehab in order to sign with the Fish, and looked for all the world like a player who should have continued rehabbing. It was beyond obvious Culpepper was not healthy. It's been almost 3 years to the day since his knee blew up, and Culpepper hasn't been on the gridiron since November 2007. It's possible he's fully recovered, and if so, be worth taking a flier. Depending on the money and length of the contract, it could be a low risk, high reward signing.
Reason 2: The Lions have likely determined Dan Orlovsky isn't a long-term solution under center. Drew Stanton, for all his potential, has been an injury waiting to happen since his days in East Lansing. Balsa wood is more durable. Till the knee injury, Culpepper was a horse. He missed only 7 out of 87 games from his first start in 2000 to his knee injury in 2005. It's not at a Favre level of durability, but pretty damn good for a mobile QB.
Reason 3: Culpepper's past track record was a great one, even if he did make copious amounts of hay throwing to Moss. Culpepper was a 1st round draft pick, and lived up to that status. Pre-injury, he was considered one of the elite QB's in the NFL. What are the odds any of the the QB's currently under contract in Detroit, Orlovsky, Stanton or Drew Henson, would ever be considered "elite?" It's a longshot, at best. Culpepper, even at 80% of his former self, is better than any of the Lions' QB's.
So much like anything involving the Lions, my feelings are mixed. It's worth taking a shot with Culpepper, but not for multiple seasons.
We all know what's going to happen, as the script never changes. If Culpepper signs long-term with the Lions, he won't be any better than Kitna. We'll be calling for Stanton to take over with the fury of a fanbase scorned. But if Culpepper signs anywhere else, he'll magically regain his ability, and his All-Pro status. Lions fans will react with all the fury of a fanbase scorned.
You can book it.
Discussion
11 Comments on "From the "I didn't see this coming" dept: Is Daunte Culpepper soon to be a Lion?"
#1
Posted by Joel, October 28, 2008 4:56 PM
Interesting read.
Culpepper's injury and subsequent attempts at a comeback should be very interesting to NFL fans considering Tom Brady's injury is very similar.
Either way, I think Culpepper is a good fit for the remainder of the year in Detroit. He's just positioning himself for a free agent deal in 2009.
#2
Posted by Greg Eno, October 28, 2008 5:28 PM
Hey, Al -- remember a guy named Jim Plunkett?
Of course, he signed with the Raiders, who, if I remember correctly, were a LITTLE BIT better than the Lions at the time!
I'm part of the "why not" camp, I think -- although I'm eager to see Drew Stanton play. Still, the Lions will need an experienced QB, whether Stanton plays or not. Someone to impart some wisdom and experience.
#3
Posted by Mark, October 28, 2008 9:48 PM
Excellent article.
A perfect description of the conumdrum that is Dante Culpepper. The 38 point QB rating drop in Moss' absence is startling. I'll definitely be checking out the Lions' site to get your take on the post-Millen era. Are you expecting a head coaching change for '09?
#4
Posted by Big Al in reply to comment from Joel, October 28, 2008 10:08 PM
Joel, very good point in regard to Brady. He may not come back at the same level Pats fans expect. Brady isn't a "mobile" QB per se, but his pocket awareness, the ability to step away from from the rush move around in the pocket, could be greatly affected. You just never know when it's a severe knee injury.
My real issue with signing Culpepper would the Lions possibly committing too much money for too long a time. They aren't exactly known for making prudent roster and cap decisions. Millen may be gone, but I do not trust who's left, either.
#5
Posted by Big Al in reply to comment from Greg Eno, October 28, 2008 10:15 PM
Eno, of course I remember Plunkett. But as you say, the Raiders were still a feared team before he signed on as a backup. It was the perfect situation for Plunkett, who could sit in the pocket, and bomb away in Al Davis' vertical offense.
As for a mentor to Stanton, you mean Dan Orlovsky and Drew Henson aren't good role models? Considering the Lions have a very young QB core with Kitna's exile, an NFL vet might not be a bad thing to add. As I told Joel, it's all about the money and length of contract.
#6
Posted by Big Al in reply to comment from Mark, October 28, 2008 10:22 PM
Thanks, Mark.
If the Lions don't change head coaches after the season, you can expect the fans to show up with torches and pitchforks at the Lions' HQ.
Marinelli has a great shot of going 0-16 this season. He's currently on a 1-14 streak. Marinelli is a position coach in far over his head. He's an good of an example of the Peter Principle you'll ever see. He's risen to his level of incompetence.
#7
Posted by Paavo, October 29, 2008 10:24 AM
Culpepper to Johnson. The next Culpepper-Moss? Why not indeed! This assumes an offensive coordinator with a grasp of, you know, offense.
#8
Posted by Big Al in reply to comment from Paavo, October 29, 2008 3:30 PM
"This assumes an offensive coordinator with a grasp of, you know, offense."
Unfortunately Paavo, that means we'll be waiting till next year...if we're lucky. //knock on wood//
#9
Posted by TMadison25, October 29, 2008 3:40 PM
Culpepper for this year and for cheap... Isn't that the reason why he retired in the first place... Lack of a substantial contract?
Stanton has definitely had his share of injuries, but is it too soon to consider him a bust? Can't "bust" status be reserved until the most stubborn coach ever puts him on the field? Is Stanton just another draft pick that never sees the field.
#10
Posted by Big Al in reply to comment from TMadison25, October 29, 2008 3:51 PM
TM25, the money is a big issue. There were rumors before Culpepper's "retirement" he wanted multiple years at $5 million per. Too much coin for a QB who is really an unknown quantity 3 years after his knee injury.
I wouldn't call Stanton a bust. Not yet, anyway. But the Lions have mishandled him from the start. From placing him on the IR for a relatively minor injury last season, to the complete refusal to give him any time this season, let alone the fact he was taken too high in the draft (He would have likely been available a round or 2 later), the Lions have bungled every aspect of the young Sparty's career. The kid has his work cut out for him. More than anything else, he needs to play.
#11
Posted by Michael Yette, October 30, 2008 5:33 PM
In 2004, Daunte's biggest year, it also the year he had the least use of Randy Moss as Moss missed the first games of his career due to injury. Moss missed three games altogether and was only able to go for a handful of plays in a few other games. Twenty six of Daunte's 39 touchdown passes that year went to receivers not named Randy Moss, and Nate Burleson was his leading receiver that year. Burleson has done very little since he had Daunte, Moss did very little with Kerry Collins and Aaron Brooks after he left Daunte. It was widely speculated that Moss had lost it, until he hooked up with Tom Brady to have a record setting season last year. With Matt Casel, Moss has very pedestrian numbers again. Culpepper and Moss fed off of each other equally in my estimation. Receivers don't make quarterbacks any more than quarterback make receivers.













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